there is a risk that he is going to engage in some perspective, foreign policy see making in these negotiations. >> and that would be a violation of the logan act, a law making it illegal for an american citizen to engage in foreign policy without the authorization of the current president, whatever what do you like to buy an electric and a short time ago, the polish president andrzej duda, was asked by reporters about his dinner meeting tonight with donald trump. do to said quote, this is normal practice. there's nothing extraordinary about it. he emphasized that this is a completely private visit and said it's taking place only because he happens to be in new york wolf these foreign leaders are walking a very delicate line with this and they're being very careful. >> we'll see what happens. sorry, brian. thank you very much for that report. brian todd reporting. and to our viewers. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. i'll see you tomorrow morning, 11:00 a.m. eastern >> we're cnn newsroom back

here, 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow night in the situation room. >> erin burnett outfront starts right i'd find next the breaking news of face-off between marjorie taylor greene and mike johnson on a collision course tonight as johnson goes to war with his own party, who will be the last one standing and breaking new details right now about what prosecutors want to ask trump if he takes the stand in his hush money trial? >> should his lawyers put him on the stand and bigger than gold. that's one major tech investors prediction about bitcoin is he right? i'll ask suzi orman, let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, a breaking point mike johnson and marjorie taylor greene on a collision course and speaker johnson right now, fighting back hard to keep his job if i operated out of fear over a motion to vacate, i would never be able to do my job look, history judges us for

what we do. >> this is a critical time right now greene said she will take down johnson over a high-stakes vote on ukraine aid. the johnson says he is going to bring to a vote in days. it is a vote. the green says could end johnson's speakership and this is it. >> this is the outline of 60.8, $4,000,000,000 bill that johnson wants to bring to the floor? >> now, look, it should happen a long, long time ago, but it is still a big deal and it's a massive gamble for johnson. >> he's betting that he'll get this bill over the finish line on saturday. thanks to the help of democrats and that he'll keep his job when he's going up against a major opponent who does not want to give another sent to ukraine, somebody who has russia's back i can read these alianza ganglia as woman marjorie taylor greene congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is proposing for the us to withdraw from nato. >> she believes that americans should help put and when and murkowski metal. >> that's amazing. that's russian state television. in

fact, ever since marjorie taylor greene started speaking out against helping ukraine, russian state television can't get enough of her look at all that. and don't just listen to us saying this and we listened to what former republican congressman ken buck told me moscow, marjorie is focused now on this ukraine issue and getting are talking points from the kremlin and making sure that she is popular and she is getting a lot of coverage moscow marjorie, he calls her once congressman buck said that the nickname took on a life of its own, and greene does have the share, frankly, a lot of putin's views on ukraine take for instance, this tweet where she accuses the ukrainians are being nazis well, you've certainly heard that before, right? >> on russian state tv be u-shaped was a flagrantly brutal provocation by ukrainian nazis now, this crucial bill to supply ukraine, it details here

with more aid and look, as i said, it is crucial. >> they need it needs to be done. >> but in a sense gosh, time really mattered. >> putins military now has the momentum in ukraine and the head of the pentagon's european command just told congress, and i quote the army, putins army is actually now larger by 15% than it was when it invaded ukraine. and just over the past 24 hours, if 71 battles across the front lines, 43 airstrikes from russia to ukraine. and ukraine right now, does not have the firepower to fight back and that's how moscow likes it. and marjorie taylor greene, of course, seems to like the 2s and she doesn't want any money going to help ukraine manu raju was out front live on capitol hill and manu, you have been speaking to your sources there is johnson really willing to risk his job over this bill? >> yeah, he is in short and fat. a lot of republicans do support him even as a question, his strategy, given that he, sheldon 95 billion foreign aid

package that came out of the senate more than two months ago. but this ultimate product that could come over to the house this weekend is very similar to that. but even so, this razor-thin majority, his speakership chip is at risk because of marjorie taylor greene's threats. and that means that he may need to rely on democrats to save them speaker mike johnson, decision to set up a high-stakes saturday night vote and rely on democrats to approve aid to ukraine. now, putting his job on the line hi, there's no other way to describe it. it's surrender. it's disappointing. >> i'm very disappointed. i just think the speaker needs to they get home and listened to our base. >> i'm well past the point of giving grace here, the time for him to get out of office i need i need a little bit more time today, but it's not good. give confidence in him it's not good. will you vote to vacate him? >> i haven't made up my mind yet and he's pushing us to the brink here. marjorie taylor greene, who is leading the charge to oust johnson, says

she's still weighing went to force a vote but says support for effort is on the rise. >> it is growing and i think some people are becoming more angry than i am, but i don't know how long people are going to tolerate this because he's doing nothing but serving the democrats. >> johnson defending his plan. >> i'm operating with the smallest margin in us history. the only way to get a rule on the floor is that it requires a couple of democrats, johnson's move came after he shelve the sentence $95 billion aid package for more than two months instead, he decided to split that aid package up into several pieces and to add to it other policy measures, such as a loan for ukraine aid and a potential ban on tiktok. yet the house is expected to tie those bills together in one big package and send it back to the senate for final approval. the house will vote on a separate border security bill that won't be included in the final package. there'll be sent to the senate, all of which a major rebuke to his right flank that includes congressman

thomas massie, the second column welcome to join the effort to ouster strategy is not to try. >> i think the strategy is to fall on the sword, but would just two votes to spare, johnson will need democrats to salvage the bill, something likely to happen with president biden announcing his support. >> now the question will democrats save johnson's job? does he still deserve to be saved if it comes to it? >> well, i've i've already committed to do that. bottom line is we have to show that these chaos caucus does not have the power they think they have. >> i'll put it this way that the speaker is the thing as working better interests of the american people. i would definitely consider all as many republicans warning hardliners not to seek johnson's ouster. >> they want russia to win so badly that they want to oust the speaker over it. they want to be in the minority to everything now democrats are divided over the idea of saving mike johnson's job. pramila

jayapal, the progressive leader, told me she opposes that concerned about johnson's ideology alexandria ocasio-cortez said that democrats, to extract some concessions over the matter and everyone we wanting hakeem jeffries, a democratic leader. what he says the democratic caucus to meet aaron tomorrow morning to discuss these matters further. >> mano, thank you so much with all those new details and let's be joined now by the democratic congressman mikey cheryl. she sits on the armed services committee, served in the navy as a pilot and russian policy officer so all of these issues right at the heart of what you do and who you are. you've just heard two of your fellow democrats. so manu, they'd helped save speaker onto its job if it comes to that. but then you heard him talk about others who say they absolutely will not. where do you stand on this? would you save speaker johnson? >> well, i think what's on the table right now is we'll speaker johnson get this supplemental package passed. that's what is most important to me is the substance of that and then quite frankly, as my

father-in-law used to say, you have to as k to get the speaker said earlier, he neither once nor needs democratic votes. and so until that time when he changed his mind, that doesn't seem to be on the table right now. >> well, of course it sounds like i mean, that's that's wishful thinking on his part. he's going to need democratic vote. but your sounds like you're not willing to say that you would do it, but you you're not willing to be like some of your colleagues and say that you won't support it i think it all comes down to what is this package is going to look like an are we going to be able to pack pass it it's it's gotten to the point of ridiculousness. >> i mean, here we have a supplemental, the president asked for it in october the senate passed it with a bipartisan majority in february. and now at the 11th hour, when you quoted general cobolli about the russians, it's not just that they're personnel are up 15%. they are outgunning the ukrainians tend to one. so at the 11th hour,

we're, we're going to just split it up and then pass it. and that doesn't seem to be being sold to anyone on the right. we have to get something on the floor. we have to pass this aid get it to the senate as quickly as possible if they need to revote it and get it to the president. so can i just ask you about aza, russian policy officer in the navy fighter pilot, you're on armed services. the reality that you just said that their militaries bit more soldiers now bigger now putin's military than it was before the war, despite the sanctions, despite the war, all these headlines of the death that's where they are being outgunned ukraine as by putin, by ten to one our fred pleitgen recently on the front lines was talking about like basically these medieval cannonballs congresswoman that they're using that are essentially just smoke balls that they're lobbing over the ukrainians at the russians obviously something it's crucial for something to be done. >> do you worry that this is too late to make a difference? >> no. i think the ukrainians have shown as time and time

again that with our support, they can be incredibly successful. so you know, time is of the essence. in fact, i have a large ukrainian american community in my district and a gentleman who came there for medical treatment, historic haunts me. he lost both his legs and both his eyes and trying to defend a town because he knew from seeing other towns that this happened to that when the russians went into the town, they would raise the town, they would rape women there. they would kidnap children drin, and he felt like he had to stand in the breach and he gave up so much to do so the least we can do is support our democratic allies especially given what we know putin to do. so to watch a report and to think that there are these people like marjorie taylor greene on the right that are pro-putin? that, that are pro russia. it is really shocking. >> and i guess that brings me back to that point. you know, if she chooses to go ahead and move with the motion to vacate the speaker. if you don't save the speaker, you're helping marjorie taylor greene and

whoever the kind of person is that marjorie taylor greene and those who support her would want to be the speaker. is that something you'd ever be comfortable with well, i think first i have to see some leadership from the speaker. >> i've not seen that yet as i said, this has taken him too long. this has been going on for too long, and his solution at the end of the day is not to do anything different, but to do to break it up. so that now we're going to have to revote it in the senate, which is going to take even more time. so i'm incredibly frustrated right now. if we can get this passed through the house and then if there is a need for democrats to support him i'll address that at the time, but i think right now the substance of this bill and getting it passed is the critical priority all right. what congresswoman cheryl, i appreciate your time. thank you very much thank god. >> i'm joined now by steve schmidt, who was the founder of the warning newsletter and podcast. former gop strategist who worked as a top campaign adviser for president george w bush, governor arnold schwarzenegger, among many others. so steve, good to see

you all right. so you hear garnish woman, cheryl, look, some democrats are closing the doors and they're not going to help johnson no matter what that might mean in terms of then therefore implicitly siding with marjorie taylor greene but it sounds like congressman cherelle is open to that. clearly, once this ukraine bill passes so do you think democrats bail amount? >> so i was listening to the congresswoman aaron and i was reminded of the old ronald reagan quote, talking about mikhail gorbachev at the end of the cold war, he would repeat all the time. >> dolby, a probe, which meant trust, but verify. >> and i think that's what the congresswoman is saying. she wants to see some action on aid to ukraine and the larger issue here is the to ukraine at a really, really dire hour. >> yeah. >> and mike johnson became speaker i believe he's an extremist republican, but

history has placed him in a moment of dire consequence. and very often it seems like that the debates that take place in the american congress are completely detached from the reality of what's happening in the world. and this is a momentous moment. the russians have sustained half 1 million casualties and they're on the march and the bet that putin has made is that the west america lacks resolve. this is the same congress that invited zelenskyy and shared for him. >> yeah. not too very long. go. >> and the bet that that putin is fundamentally made was perhaps best expressed by winston churchill in 1938 when he talked about the moral collapses democracies in the appeasement to hitler and checklists of ikea. >> and he said, they'll aren't wade in the balance and found one haunting and do not suppose that this is the beginning of

the end. this is only the beginning of the reckoning and that's what this vote is about. we have a lower, lowest common denominator majority that's held hostage by its most extreme and ludicrous members but the congress is an institution on behalf of the people in the united states at an urgent moment at the edge of a new era when the polish president says we're in a pre-war period, get ready we should listen and that's what this moment is. >> i want to ask you about one other thing, steve, since since i have you here, we just saw a letter was sent from trump's campaign to other republican candidates and committees. i don't know if you saw this, but the letter begins beginning tomorrow. wewe ask that all candidates and committees who choose to use president trump's name in image and likeness, split a minimum of 5% of all fundraising solicitations to trump's

campaign what are your thoughts about that? >> look it's always been a graft and it continues to be so donald trump is consumed by legal dad, by legal judgments, by multiple legal judgments. and so this is the tool by which much of this is all going to be funded. his campaign is cash-strapped up against the biden effort right now to the tune that they're on a trajectory potentially if you just kind of on the back of a napkin look ahead, they could be outgun by 350, million coming into the fall election. that's a big number that could very much be determinative when this is likely to come down to tens of thousands of votes across three or four states and a handful of counties. >> all right, steve, thank you. you very much. nice to see you and appreciate your perspective

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testimony he gave under oath in other recent cases on the stand, what stands out to you about what the da saying we want to ask? >> yes. so full big picture. this is important because it will inform his judgment that is trump as to whether hill testify. so the system wants you to have a fair trial, but you can't have it both ways. if you want to testify, we the prosecution will say and has said have the ability to cross-examine you about prior things you did that may impinge on your credibility and they've listed that is the manhattan da's office. what those things are. so the fact that your organization has been convicted of a crime that could be problematic. why you're the head of that. explain that, sir. if you want to talk about credibility, you violated orders before you were told not to, but you did it anyway, what does that say about you speaking about the issue of the half-a-billion in well, listed as 300 something odd thousand dollars. the fact that there was his new york state conviction explain and talk about that. and that dealt with falsity. it dealt with conspiracy, it dealt with things that your business did

that were pretty unsavory. and so this is important because if you testified, be prepared to be confronted with those issues before while the jury it doesn't make you look too good in the jury's eyes. so those are things that are somewhat significant. >> so the reason this is filed this way, i understand right. is because the judge would have the ability to say yes, you can do these sorts of things. yes. you know, you can't. so where does this go from here? do you think the judge says yes, all these things that joe is laying out or fair game we'll have to see the hearing is supposed to take place on friday. >> the judge has enormous discretion. the judge also has to say no, i will not let the evidence in if it's trying to prove that the defendant is a propensity towards committing certain crimes. but everything joey said would be allowed it. and if it's about his credibility, his honesty, and things like that but the judge will have to decide is it maybe also to prejudicial to let it in against the defendant or is it very important information for the jurors to have to evaluate his credibility. that's all up in the air and we'll see how which way the

judge cuts it. all right. so that's going to be crucial. that's coming on friday. jury selection that we're hours away here and 30 years of experience questioning jars and criminal trials in manhattan. that's it's a perspective you bring to this we had none then all of a sudden an hour-and-a-half, we have seven. it's like an agatha christie model while ago, i think the full jury could be seated tomorrow. it's certainly possible for all this narrative about the judge's rushing. this is rushing them this is the way the process works. a judge is not rushing a thing. you have a questionnaire to delineate who can be fair. the judge is being overly fair by given the giving the indication, if you self-identify as this trial is not for me. you're done. in other cases, the judge will attempt to rehabilitate you and so you have a pool that's excluded right away? i think what the judge is doing is moving it along at an appropriate pace. and then when you have these challenges, these peremptory, challenges inside baseball, which is where you could for any discretionary reason, remove a jury. they are limited. and so what you're

left with unlimited challenges for cause, those go away. so i think a jury will be empaneled. i think a fair jury will in panel, and we could get the show on the one that his point about a fair jury trump is on his social media website, quoting a fox news host. so he puts in quotes on his post. they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury so he puts it in quotes as referring to jurors. i want to take this from two points here. one, he's talking about jurors is but in quotes from jesse watters, is that a violation of the gag order, which does he cannot talk about jurors. >> it is a very, very clear violation of the gag order. the gag orders last provision says that trump cannot make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror full stop it's not about his intent is not about making statements about jurors in order to interfere with a criminal proceeding, which is part of the other parts of the gag order, just cannot make public statements about them. >> he just started less whether he's quoting if foxnews know it's his statement, he can't

just put it in quotes and then somebody else said it. i'm just pushing it out there. and this is going to come up next week. there is a hearing about his other violations are alleged violations of the gag order. three of them with the da saying to the judge, please warn the defendant he can spend time in jail if he continues to do this. >> all right. and so then the other point here is the point that he's making about liberal activists. there were two two jurors that trump had wanted to put it challenged that that had moved ahead, but then the judge did end up dismissing them. i'm not saying they're undercard. i'm not even i'm just saying is the system working? >> i think the system works is it's designed to work, right? you'd pick a jury if there's any fabrications or people are not up front, you cross them really that's what you're doing to the jury with information can ai flies in the face when you have social media posts that contradict your answers and you're confronted with that. and then in the judge got rid of the juror. that's that aaron is what voir dire dire is all about. >> all right. thank you both very much and next breaking

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line for you tonight? you have hoped that the law can be repealed before it goes into effect or not well, there is absolutely no excuse for them for their failure on this. >> in 2022. many of these republicans voted for arizona's lot. that created a 15 week ban. that explicitly said, this does not repeal the 18 64 law. they knew that if dobbs the dobbs decision went the way it did, that this law would be the law and they've had years to figure out the consequences of this and figure out a plan of action. and now they're just failing to act. this law is so terrible for women in our state it will have devastating consequences, which is why i called for them immediately to repeal this they they went to the floor at last week. the democrats were ready to do it. the republicans blocked it last week, and they blocked it again today. they're only showing up to work once a week, right now so i guess

we'll see what happens next week when they come back. >> so once a week they show up to work on this. i mean, i guess what i'm partly very confused about governor, to be honest, is that the republicans have blocked this repeal vote from taking place as you point out now, twice yet. many in the party including in your state, have come out against the 18, 64 abortion ban publicly, right? they've spoken out. i mean, here are some of them this total ban on abortion that the arizona supreme court has ruled on is out of line with where the people of this state are territorial law needs to be repealed. >> arizona so get national but also republicans from your state i mean, if republicans are against this bill, saying it does not reflect where the state is, then what's the issue here? can you explain why they will not let it come up for repeal vote?

>> no, i cannot. you'd have to ask them, but every single republican voice that you just played, they own this my, my former opponent was out on the campaign trail celebrating this law saying this is a great band that we have on the books. and now she finds that it's politically inconvenient for her, so she's encouraged she gets repeal the republicans in the state legislature who are now saying it goes too far, they voted for this ban in 2022, that explicitly left this law in place. they have sent fetal personhood bills to my desk that would have the same effect of this law so they're just being dissonant ingenuous, and they really own the consequences of this. >> the reality of it is this, this fight has helped your party because it has galvanized those who find going back to 18, 64 to be a polling when it comes to the abortion law larry sabato is one of the most well-known akre race it's

predictors in the country. >> today. governor, he actually changed ratings for two big races in your state, the senate race between kari lake and ruben gallego, which he previously had raided a toss up. he now has lean democrat and a house rais leaned republican. he now has as a toss-up and the anger towards us abortion law has clearly motivated democratic voters in a sense, it might, might make the most sense for your party, for this to continue because you get more and more people who are going to go out and vote on it. are you worried that a repeal if it happened actually could hurt your party in november there's no question that this ban and this ruling is going to motivate voters up and down the ballot because arizonans are outraged about it. but right now today in the aftermath of this ruling, i'm not concerned about the political ramifications. i am worried about women's access to health care here and the dire consequences that we will face in our state if women

don't have access to the healthcare, they need, this isn't just about abortions, it's about treatment for miscarriages. we've heard all kinds of stories from around the country and states with these kind of extreme bands. and we're headed down that road persona as well. >> governor hobbes, i appreciate your time and thank you very much for being with us tonight thank you. wael the fight over abortion rights has given democrats a major boost. and biden tonight is facing resistance though, from college students who you would think would be among those who cared passionately about this issue. so what is going on there? jeff zeleny tonight reports from the crucial swing state of pennsylvania for our voters outfront series one stop after another, cries of protest, trail president biden even outside the united steel workers headquarters in pittsburgh, one of the many friendly venues, the white house selects in hopes of

minimizing angry disruptions over the israel-gaza war alone. >> whether or not the president can hear their message many demonstrators share a common bond. they are students frustrated and furious at us foreign policy. if there is indeed a will to stop this conflict, it can be stopped kareem sophia dean is a phd student at the university of pittsburgh, one of many young americans speaking now, there is not something that changes dramatically can you vote for joe biden? >> i do not believe so. >> and i do believe that many people will not be voting for joe biden and this indeed does something it does open a debate, a discussion. the debate plays out most everywhere biden goes, as he tries to rebuild his winning coalition. >> one of the most resistant pieces of that puzzle is young voters on college campuses have placed biden has avoided almost entirely. i think he would be

met with a lot of back the clash, a lot of protest because his policies have been have killed tens of thousands of people. >> dalia sabah is a wisconsin graduate student who helped organize a protest vote in the state's primary earlier this month, she bristles at the notion of whether her opposition to biden could help donald trump. >> we reject the idea that the democratic party feels like they have to coerce people into voting for them by leveraging the threat of another candidate that is worse if protests raged until the election, biden could well become the first democratic president since the vietnam era on welcome to large crowds of students. >> he does have this problem of a kind of nagging protest vote on the democratic side because of his handling of things in gaza. very burden leads the elections research center at the university of wisconsin, where presidential visits to college campuses thousands of people to see kennedy have long been historically critical stop for democrats who could feel the kind of youth energy behind the clinton campaign. this was just a very comfortable place

for obama as a candidate. but in a very necessary place for him to find votes. what do you make of the protest vote and how that could impact november? >> well, biden's certainly does not have the support of young people the way obama did. i think the vietnam war is the closest analogy that was also the period when we had the biggest generation gap between the parties while pro-palestinian demonstrators missions are far more than it campus movement, biden's advisers are studying a young voters carefully. >> i one thing that's surprisingly is the degree to which she's disregarding public opinion in a story all is a graduate architecture student at carnegie mellon in pittsburgh. she regrets her vote for biden four years ago that was the first time i could vote in the presidential election frankly, i look back. i'm embarrassed now these protests are coming from within. >> sayyed, the president's coalition air. and that is what worries the sum campaign advisers so much. but one told me, look, if politics was driving this the president would have changed his view months ago. the question is,

what does this look like by november? and will the president be able to spend time on college campuses like this one? >> aaron, i say going to be crucial. thank you so much. jeff zeleny and next the bitcoin bigger than gold, that's what one major tech investor is predicting. is he right? soucie armin is next plus a massive military parade is iran shows off its deadly drones and missiles it's ron, daring israel to attack the white house correspondents dinner by saturday, april 27th at seven eastern on cnn monet's allergies don't have to be scary. >> it's right flown a sentiments daily for non drowsy, long-lasting relief in a scent free gentleman slowness, all good. >> also try are allergy, headache, and nighttime pills electric for short trips, gas for long like the paradox, it really is both. the alexis rx plug-in hybrid let's get

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he predicts bitcoin my go as high as 1 million by next year. >> i mean, this is after the world's most known cryptocurrency plunged this weekend as missiles rained down in the middle east, briefly falling to its lowest price and more than a month today, it's a roller coaster ride you've got the plunge and then you've got investors like that saying such pie in the sky, things but it does have people wondering and asking whether to get involved and suzy orman is out front now, one of the world's best-known personal finance advisors and the founder of secure save and the host of the women and money podcast. >> so susie, i mean bigger than gold or big words and you're hearing big investors talk like this at people see bitcoin in the center of all this, this weekend selling off when the missiles were coming down, how do you see bitcoin right now? well, i have to tell you, i think there's some legitimacy in the possibility that bitcoin could absolutely turn around here and go back up maybe to 80,080, 5,000. some people are

projecting 150,000, but that's not what's important. because what somebody thinks it's going to do doesn't mean it's it's going to do it. you have to look at and what backs bitcoin it's people's emotions, it's not like a stock where you have a company, you have a product, you have earnings, you have a solid thing. this bitcoin, the movement of it is simply based on the projections of people. and are they willing to buy, sell, or whatever? >> so if you are going to put money in bitcoin, i still say this is money that you can afford to lose because nothing is backing it. >> remember it was at 64, at seven are 67,000 a few years ago when all the way down to 17,000. all the way back up. so it goes up and down. so why are you investing in it? can you afford to lose it? and remember, there's nothing backing it. so just think about that and then suzy, if someone

really gets the point of taking all that advice because i want to do it. >> how do you even do it yeah. >> i think the best way to do it for the majority of people out there is through an exchange traded fund? >> yes, you can buy the actual bitcoin or do it on an exchange and own bitcoins are a little bit of a bit klein. i think you're far better off for ease of buying and selling to look at a very large etf, an etf that owns a whole lot of bitcoin. and that really is solid and i think if you could just do it that way, that would be the best way to do it. >> etf way, which is very similar because people do ask how it's just like when you and i talked last week about bowl gold bars and you're saying, if you're gonna do it, there's a way etfs don't go about buying a gold bar. it's, it's not what you think it is. in terms of ease of sale and moving it around. >> i mean, but the reason susie bitcoin is in people's eyes right now a lot is it because

of that unprecedented attack on israel? >> it moved so much this weekend? that is, attack is just part of the anxiety out there. economic fears. now, you've got fears of war and all of this contributing to some pretty scary things. i mean, the average 30 year fixed rate mortgage today went to seven i mean, i can remember what was it two or three years ago when it was in the 2s. >> i mean, this is unbelievable. what's happened. it's a very scary time for so many people is there a flip side to this anyway, for people to take advantage of these rates that keep going higher and higher yeah there's two things. >> it's when you want to borrow money and interest rates are going up. it's really bad than interest rates are going up. but when you want to earn money off of your money, it's fabulous for you that interest rates are going up. you say, when mortgages were 2% a few years the go, what we're interest rates in savings

accounts on a cds, 0.1%, whatever it may be. now, you can get a 5% rate in a money market account. now you can get a cd for 5%. now, you could probably a shortly here get a 30 year bond for five if percent, uh, ten year note for 5%. so those people, especially those in their retirement years, aaron, that are living off of their income. the high interest rates are fabulous for them, especially if they take advantage of locking it up longer term, because when interest rates do i'm down again they're still getting that higher rate because interest rates eventually will come down again and it's like gravity. >> i we spoke a few days ago and you had told people not to worry about some of the selloff that we'd seen in the stock market i'm wondering how you feel now susie, and what is it that keeps you up at night? when you think about financial

concerns i took two things, the stock market, most people are invested in the stock market where in their retirement accounts for one k for all 3b tsp ira and they put money in it every single month. >> most of those people aren't going to need that money 4102030 or 40 years. so who in their right mind wants to see the stock market go up? you actually want to see the stock market go down exactly like it's doing right now. so that every month when you put money into your retirement account, your money buys more shares. the more shares you have. eventually, when it goes back up again, the more money you make for the long run you know, just be okay with it and actually be happy if you have time on your side that the markets going down. >> all right. susie, thank you very much. we'll see you soon and thank you so much as always. next, the top israeli

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a cool check setting if the zionist regime makes the slightest moved to violate our territory and harm the national interests of the islamic republic. >> they must understand that they will face a severe and heavy response iran trying to pile the pressure on the israelis saying it's waves of drones and missiles acquiring israel to team up with the us, france, britain, and jordan to shoot most projectiles down. >> and hamas is attack on october 7, last year called al-aqsa storm, show israel is weak and vulnerable the al-aqsa storm operation and operation true promise crumbled zionist regime's aura of invincibility. it proved that the strength of the zionist regime and its back as a comparable to the strength of a spider's web israel has said, there will be a military response from its sayyed, but the us and other western allies are urging limited action the iranians warning if the us and

its middle eastern allies help israel in any the attack against iranian territory. they too will become targets, protect runs forces. >> i got how to kissy but has not heavy. >> if anyone wants to support the zionist regime in, anyway, in this confrontation, we will target that country and its interests tough talk as the middle east weights watches and braces for what could be a further escalation destabilizing the entire region and aaron more harsh rhetoric coming from the iranians today, the head of the revolutionary guard aerospace forces around that parade was asked, what happens if israel does attack. >> his answer was or-awn wilson strike back 100%. aaron fred, thank you very much. >> and outfront now, seth jones, senior vice president at the center for strategic and international studies. >> and you just saw from fred iranian missiles and drones showcase at that military parade today, the president of

iran saying they could have launched a stronger response he says, we're nothing would be left of israel. so what are the facts? how how deep, how formidable is the iranian arsenal while aaron, the iranian arsenal, arsenal is the most formidable, i think in the, in the middle east, the iranians have a ballistic and cruise missiles, including the sumer, which can reach two to 3,000 kilometers but i think just as important, the iranians have upwards of 200,000 missiles and rockets in lebanon, right now. >> that hezbollah has and could shoot from, from lebanese territory. ed wood frankly overwhelm israel's air defense system. the arrow the david's sling, and the iron dome. so really both direct and indirect through partner responses so you talk about the depth of the arsenal now, the finance minister from israel, who also is a minister in the ministry of defense is demanding that

netanyahu launch a counter attack that quote, rocks tehran referring to the acts of hamas and others. >> they say that would do things like october 7 to be quote, unquote, erased all we know here that we know israel's considering a strike on iranian soil, but we don't know more than that. >> what does such a thing actually mean? what happens when a counter strike occurs yeah, so this is just a nother, although an escalated series in what is a long-standing war between the israelis and the iranians? i think in this case, the iranians do have a lot of options. my understanding is that they are considering many of them. they could be two target a range of bases in iran itself to those in places like syria or even lebanon itself, or yemen particularly those that are populated but juran's islamic revolutionary guards could force, which is the paramilitary arm there are,

there are some other options. the former head of the mossad is israel's former spy agency. a couple of hours ago, also said the israeli cabinet is considering targeting iran nuclear infrastructure, which would definitely be an escalation. so i think they are considering a lot of the options and probably trying to take an action that makes him look serious, but not get them into a complete all-out war. >> of course, though, that every single one of these things that you say, i think anybody watching is fearful you think it's just a small escalation? but none of these things really are. we're in unchartered territory said, thank you so much thanks, erin thanks so much to all of you for being with us. >> we'll see you back here tomorrow when jury selection, once again resumes in the trump hush money trial here in new york. in the meantime, now it's time for a 60 widt anderson cooper good evening